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61: I Think I’ve Married The Wrong Person with Dave and Ann Wilson

April 15, 2019

What happens when you start to wonder if you really married the right person? What happens when you feel like you no longer love your spouse? In Episode 61, Daniel and Christina interview Dave and Ann Wilson about these very questions. On their 10th anniversary celebration, Dave and Ann were in very different places in their marriage. Dave thought their relationship couldn’t get any better. Ann was hanging on for dear life. She was questioning if Dave was the right man for her. That night, she whispered five words that could have ended their marriage:  “I’ve lost feelings for you.” Instead of drawing up the divorce papers, God redeemed their marriage. In the midst of a very difficult time, they found the one secret that can transform a marriage.

In This Episode, You Will Hear About:

  • The one key secret that saved Dave and Ann Wilson’s marriage
  • Practical ideas to help you stay connected to your spouse
  • How to build a healthy and vibrant relationship

Resources Mentioned During the Episode:

  • Grab a copy of Dave And Ann Wilson’s book, Vertical Marriage: The One Secret That Will Change Your Marriage 
  • Listen to Dave and Ann’s daily radio show, Family Life Today 
  • Dave and Ann are co-founders and teaching pastors at Kensington Community Church 
  • Connect with Dave and Ann via FB, Twitter, or Instagram @daveannwilson

Quotables:

  • “Divert daily, withdrawal weekly, abandon annually.” – Rick Warren
  • “On a scale of 1-10, what would you rate our marriage? What can we do to move that number higher?” – Ann Wilson
  • “While marriage is many things, it is anything but sentimental. Marriage is glorious but hard. It’s a burning joy and strength, and yet it is also blood, sweat, and tears, humbling defeats and exhausting victories.” – Ann Wilson
  • “Every couple knows how to have conflict. Not many couples know how to resolve it.” – Dave Wilson
  • “Victory and survival come through surrender. Unlike the wars we fight physically, if you want to win in your marriage, you surrender. You give up.” – Ann Wilson
  • “At some point, you need to choose to let go of your hurt and choose to forgive. You need to give up your right to punish.” – Dave Wilson
  • “One of the reasons you are so disappointed in your marriage could be that Jesus is drawing you to Him.”  – Dave and Ann Wilson
  • “The miracle isn’t God changing my spouse. The miracle is God changing me.” – Dave and Ann Wilson
  • “God will fight for you. You need only to be still.” Exodus 14:14

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Meet Dave and Ann Wilson:

Dave and Ann Wilson are co-founders and teaching pastors at Kensington Community Church, a national, multi-campus church that hosts more than 14,000 attendees every weekend. For the past 25 years, they have been featured speakers at FamilyLife’s Weekend to Remember, and have hosted their own marriage conferences across the country. They live in the Detroit area, where Dave has served as the Detroit Lions Chaplain for thirty-three years. They have three grown sons, CJ, Austin, and Cody, three daughters-in-law, and four grandchildren.
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Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

Much Love,
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Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. 

Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

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Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

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