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197: From Numbing to Awareness: A Journey Beyond Addiction with Chris Janssen

October 28, 2025

We interview Chris Janssen, an author, life coach, and sobriety advocate. Chris shares her personal journey to sobriety, discusses her new book Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want, and explores how addiction extends beyond substances to behaviours and thought patterns. She offers practical coaching tools for self-reflection and change, emphasizing self-compassion and the importance of defining sobriety individually. The conversation highlights the costs of numbing behaviours, the value of choosing growth over comfort, and encourages us to pursue authentic, fulfilling lives with grace and resilience.

In This Episode, You’ll Hear The Following:

  • Exploration of addiction beyond substances, including behaviours and distractions.
  • Discussion on the impact of numbing behaviours and coping mechanisms.
  • Importance of self-awareness and evaluating personal habits.
  • Practical exercises for identifying and changing harmful patterns.
  • The concept of “Choose Your Hard” and its implications for personal growth.
  • The role of compassion and understanding in addressing addiction.
  • Encouragement to seek support and resources for recovery and personal development.

Resources Mentioned In This Episode:

  • Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want by Chris Janssen
  • https://www.chrisjanssencoaching.com
  • https://www.facebook.com/chrisjanssencoaching/
  • https://www.instagram.com/chris3janssen

Journal Prompts For Individual Reflection:

  1. What patterns have I developed that might be numbing me rather than helping me grow? (e.g., sugar, Netflix, phone scrolling, alcohol, control, busyness)
  2. When I feel stressed, overwhelmed, or exhausted, what do I tend to reach for — and why? Is it true rest or just distraction? What does this reveal about what I’m really craving?
  3. What would it look like for me to “show up for the life I want”? How do my current habits move me toward or away from that vision?
  4. What’s a “hard” thing I’m avoiding right now — and how might not doing it actually be harder in the long run?

Discussion Questions For Couples:

  1. What’s one numbing habit or self-soothing behavior we want to evaluate together? Is it time to change the pattern? What would a healthier replacement look like?
  2. Chris says, “Addiction doesn’t have to be a bad word.” How do we view the idea of addiction in our marriage — with curiosity or shame?
  3. What would change in our lives if we stopped believing the “sneaky lies” of our vices or harmful habits? What might open up for us emotionally, spiritually, or relationally?
  4. How can we support each other in building new, life-giving patterns — especially in moments of stress, exhaustion, or temptation?

Meet Chris Janssen:

Chris Janssen, MA, BCC, is a leading results coach in performance and mindset and a bestselling, award-winning author. She has worked with hundreds of sought-after athletes, creatives, soldiers, entrepreneurs, and small businesses internationally, helping them to close the gap between where they are and where they want to be. In addition to her academic achievements, Chris trained with and worked on Tony Robbins’ team of results coaches at the #1 personal development and peak performance strategy company in the world.

As a board-certified coach with a master’s in counseling psychology and over 25 years of experience, Chris excels in helping high-achieving perfectionists navigate performance pressure, overcome self-sabotage and rewrite narratives. Through her successful and sustainable Living All In methods, clients learn to attach meaning to life events and circumstances beyond their control.

A California native, Chris and her husband, Scott have been married for nearly 30 years. Together, they raised three children, now thriving young adults. Chris and Scott split their time between Los Angeles and Colorado and love to ski, golf, be with their horses and adventure outside.

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Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

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Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. 

Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

Much Love,
Daniel and Christina 

#PodcastFamily #PodcastCommunity #ThankYouListeners #GratefulHeart #SevenYearsStrong  #GrowingTogether #christianmarriage #marriagepodcast #spotifywrapped #marriagehelp #imbetweenpodcast #PodcastWins #PodcastMilestones #PodcastersOfInstagram #PodcastersUnite #SpotifyPodcasts
Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. 

Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

Much Love,
Daniel and Christina 

#PodcastFamily #PodcastCommunity #ThankYouListeners #GratefulHeart #SevenYearsStrong  #GrowingTogether #christianmarriage #marriagepodcast #spotifywrapped #marriagehelp #imbetweenpodcast #PodcastWins #PodcastMilestones #PodcastersOfInstagram #PodcastersUnite #SpotifyPodcasts
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Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. Much Love, Daniel and Christina #PodcastFamily #PodcastCommunity #ThankYouListeners #GratefulHeart #SevenYearsStrong #GrowingTogether #christianmarriage #marriagepodcast #spotifywrapped #marriagehelp #imbetweenpodcast #PodcastWins #PodcastMilestones #PodcastersOfInstagram #PodcastersUnite #SpotifyPodcasts
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Ever wonder why we turn to quick fixes when we’re stressed or exhausted? In Episode 197 of the IMbetween Podcast, @chris3janssen explains that numbing behaviors like reaching for sugary treats or alcohol provide immediate relief but often at a significant cost. 

We discuss a powerful exercise from her book, “Grace Yourself,” that helps individuals evaluate these numbing patterns and consider healthier alternatives. It’s about gaining awareness and making intentional choices to support our well-being. 

Tune in wherever you listen to your podcasts, or here @ https://imbetween.org/episode197
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Just like a garden needs the right conditions to thrive, so do our minds. It’s about adjusting our surroundings to create supportive spaces for everyone, especially our kids. 🌱📘 

Listen wherever you get your podcasts, or by going to https://imbetween.org/episode196/

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Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. 

Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

Much Love,
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#PodcastFamily #PodcastCommunity #ThankYouListeners #GratefulHeart #SevenYearsStrong  #GrowingTogether #christianmarriage #marriagepodcast #spotifywrapped #marriagehelp #imbetweenpodcast #PodcastWins #PodcastMilestones #PodcastersOfInstagram #PodcastersUnite #SpotifyPodcasts
Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. 

Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

Much Love,
Daniel and Christina 

#PodcastFamily #PodcastCommunity #ThankYouListeners #GratefulHeart #SevenYearsStrong  #GrowingTogether #christianmarriage #marriagepodcast #spotifywrapped #marriagehelp #imbetweenpodcast #PodcastWins #PodcastMilestones #PodcastersOfInstagram #PodcastersUnite #SpotifyPodcasts
Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. 

Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

Much Love,
Daniel and Christina 

#PodcastFamily #PodcastCommunity #ThankYouListeners #GratefulHeart #SevenYearsStrong  #GrowingTogether #christianmarriage #marriagepodcast #spotifywrapped #marriagehelp #imbetweenpodcast #PodcastWins #PodcastMilestones #PodcastersOfInstagram #PodcastersUnite #SpotifyPodcasts
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Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. Much Love, Daniel and Christina #PodcastFamily #PodcastCommunity #ThankYouListeners #GratefulHeart #SevenYearsStrong #GrowingTogether #christianmarriage #marriagepodcast #spotifywrapped #marriagehelp #imbetweenpodcast #PodcastWins #PodcastMilestones #PodcastersOfInstagram #PodcastersUnite #SpotifyPodcasts
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Listen to Episode 198 wherever you get your podcasts, or here https://imbetween.org/episode198/

#parenting #disciplemaking #discipleship #christcenteredhome
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In a compelling analogy from Episode 198 of our IMbetween Podcast, our guest @davidsunde describes parents as “tour guides” rather than “travel agents” in their children’s faith journeys. Unlike travel agents who arrange logistics from afar, tour guides walk with their children through every high and low. This metaphor highlights the importance of presence and shared experiences in nurturing faith. By being there for the everyday moments, parents can provide authentic guidance and support, much like God’s nature as Emmanuel—“God with us.” It’s an insightful shift in perspective that’s worth reflecting on. Listen to Episode 198 wherever you get your podcasts, or here https://imbetween.org/episode198/ #parenting #disciplemaking #discipleship #christcenteredhome
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The Role of Numbing Behaviors 🤔🫨

Ever wonder why we turn to quick fixes when we’re stressed or exhausted? In Episode 197 of the IMbetween Podcast, @chris3janssen explains that numbing behaviors like reaching for sugary treats or alcohol provide immediate relief but often at a significant cost. 

We discuss a powerful exercise from her book, “Grace Yourself,” that helps individuals evaluate these numbing patterns and consider healthier alternatives. It’s about gaining awareness and making intentional choices to support our well-being. 

Tune in wherever you listen to your podcasts, or here @ https://imbetween.org/episode197
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The Role of Numbing Behaviors 🤔🫨 Ever wonder why we turn to quick fixes when we’re stressed or exhausted? In Episode 197 of the IMbetween Podcast, @chris3janssen explains that numbing behaviors like reaching for sugary treats or alcohol provide immediate relief but often at a significant cost. We discuss a powerful exercise from her book, “Grace Yourself,” that helps individuals evaluate these numbing patterns and consider healthier alternatives. It’s about gaining awareness and making intentional choices to support our well-being. Tune in wherever you listen to your podcasts, or here @ https://imbetween.org/episode197
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Did you know that despite growing awareness of mental health, anxiety and depression rates in children and adolescents have sharply risen? 

In episode 196 of the @imbetweenshow podcast, @sarahboyd, author of Turn Down the Noise, discusses how overstimulation in our environment could be a key factor. 

Just like a garden needs the right conditions to thrive, so do our minds. It’s about adjusting our surroundings to create supportive spaces for everyone, especially our kids. 🌱📘 

Listen wherever you get your podcasts, or by going to https://imbetween.org/episode196/

#MentalHealth #Overstimulation #Parenting
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Did you know that despite growing awareness of mental health, anxiety and depression rates in children and adolescents have sharply risen? In episode 196 of the @imbetweenshow podcast, @sarahboyd, author of Turn Down the Noise, discusses how overstimulation in our environment could be a key factor. Just like a garden needs the right conditions to thrive, so do our minds. It’s about adjusting our surroundings to create supportive spaces for everyone, especially our kids. 🌱📘 Listen wherever you get your podcasts, or by going to https://imbetween.org/episode196/ #MentalHealth #Overstimulation #Parenting
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