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159: Drake Farmer on Finding Hope in the Hard Seasons of Life

September 26, 2022

Hope can seem like such an elusive thing. In Episode 159, Drake Farmer unpacks for us what hope is, where we should put our hope when we are going through a difficult season, and how to be full of love, fueled by faith, and addicted to hope.

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In This Episode, You’ll Hear About:

  • What is hope, and where should we put our hope?
  • The purpose of trials and difficult times in our lives.
  • The difference between burdens and trials.
  • How to cultivate an environment of hope in your marriage and family.

Resources Mentioned In This Episode:

  • Addicted To Hope: 7 Transformational Truths for the Weary, Defeated, and Just Plain Stuck by Drake Farmer
  • Soul Care: 7 Transformational Principles For A Healthy Soul by Rob Reimer
  • You Are What You Do: And Six Other Lies About Work, Life, and Love by Daniel Im
  • No Silver Bullets: 5 Small Shifts That Will Transform Your Ministry by Daniel Im

QUOTES AND TWEETS:

  • Hope in Christ is an anchor. It is not a helicopter. – @drakefarmer_
  • Our hope isn’t found in our circumstances or the release of painful situations. Our hope is the anchor. It is in the shepherd. Our hope is in Jesus. – @drakefarmer_
  • Be full of love, fueled by faith, and addicted to hope. @drakefarmer_

SCRIPTURE PASSAGES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

  • Hebrews 6:19, 20
  • Psalm 23
  • Matthew 11: 28-30
  • James 1:2-5
  • Mark 4:35-41
  • Acts 16:16-31
  • 1 Corinthians 13
  • John 3:16

QUESTIONS FOR PERSONAL REFLECTION:

  • Take some time to ask Jesus to reveal to you where He was in a difficult season of your life.
  • What are areas in your life that you need to take ownership of? What areas in your life do you need to surrender to Jesus because only He can change you?
  • What “baggage” do I need to let go of to create space in my life for God’s good things?
  • What’s one thing I can do today to show the love of Christ to my spouse and family?

DISCUSSION PROMPTS FOR YOU AS A COUPLE:

  • Can you remember a time in your childhood when hope felt real and tangible?
  • What does it mean for Jesus to be an anchor and not a helicopter in challenging seasons of life?
  • How can I help remind you that God is a good Father and Shepherd, like in Psalm 23?
  • How can I pray for you?

MEET DRAKE FARMER:

As a pastor and speaker, Drake De Long-Farmer has been passionate about inviting people into a deeper life with God and creating spaces for people to wrestle with what they believe about themselves, God, and the world around them. He hopes that, in some way, through his words and work, he can inspire people to become #FullOfLove, #FuelledByFaith, and #AddictedToHope.

Drake currently serves on the leadership team of Beulah Alliance Church in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Growing up in a military family, he has moved a lot in his lifetime and has had the privilege to travel across Canada and Europe, but he is most at home when he spends time with his wife and four kids. 

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Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

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Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. 

Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

Much Love,
Daniel and Christina 

#PodcastFamily #PodcastCommunity #ThankYouListeners #GratefulHeart #SevenYearsStrong  #GrowingTogether #christianmarriage #marriagepodcast #spotifywrapped #marriagehelp #imbetweenpodcast #PodcastWins #PodcastMilestones #PodcastersOfInstagram #PodcastersUnite #SpotifyPodcasts
Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. 

Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

Much Love,
Daniel and Christina 

#PodcastFamily #PodcastCommunity #ThankYouListeners #GratefulHeart #SevenYearsStrong  #GrowingTogether #christianmarriage #marriagepodcast #spotifywrapped #marriagehelp #imbetweenpodcast #PodcastWins #PodcastMilestones #PodcastersOfInstagram #PodcastersUnite #SpotifyPodcasts
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Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. 

Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

Much Love,
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Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. 

Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

Much Love,
Daniel and Christina 

#PodcastFamily #PodcastCommunity #ThankYouListeners #GratefulHeart #SevenYearsStrong  #GrowingTogether #christianmarriage #marriagepodcast #spotifywrapped #marriagehelp #imbetweenpodcast #PodcastWins #PodcastMilestones #PodcastersOfInstagram #PodcastersUnite #SpotifyPodcasts
Some #spotify wins for the IMbetween podcast this past year. Thanks to all of our listeners and Podcast Family for journeying with us and trusting us with your time. 

Our podcast started out as a dream to help build strong marriages and families because when we were hurting the most (that 7 year struggle is real!) and couldn’t afford therapy, we didn’t know where to turn. We didn’t want anyone else to feel the same way, so we created a place and space where people could listen and learn in a safe environment. 

We have learned and grown so much since that first episode drop 7 years ago. In many ways, we’ve grown up together and watched our kids grow up too. It has been a blessing to walk this road together. Cheers to 2026 and all that it brings. 

Much Love,
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#PodcastFamily #PodcastCommunity #ThankYouListeners #GratefulHeart #SevenYearsStrong  #GrowingTogether #christianmarriage #marriagepodcast #spotifywrapped #marriagehelp #imbetweenpodcast #PodcastWins #PodcastMilestones #PodcastersOfInstagram #PodcastersUnite #SpotifyPodcasts
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Listen to Episode 198 wherever you get your podcasts, or here https://imbetween.org/episode198/

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In a compelling analogy from Episode 198 of our IMbetween Podcast, our guest @davidsunde describes parents as “tour guides” rather than “travel agents” in their children’s faith journeys. Unlike travel agents who arrange logistics from afar, tour guides walk with their children through every high and low. This metaphor highlights the importance of presence and shared experiences in nurturing faith. By being there for the everyday moments, parents can provide authentic guidance and support, much like God’s nature as Emmanuel—“God with us.” It’s an insightful shift in perspective that’s worth reflecting on. Listen to Episode 198 wherever you get your podcasts, or here https://imbetween.org/episode198/ #parenting #disciplemaking #discipleship #christcenteredhome
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The Role of Numbing Behaviors 🤔🫨

Ever wonder why we turn to quick fixes when we’re stressed or exhausted? In Episode 197 of the IMbetween Podcast, @chris3janssen explains that numbing behaviors like reaching for sugary treats or alcohol provide immediate relief but often at a significant cost. 

We discuss a powerful exercise from her book, “Grace Yourself,” that helps individuals evaluate these numbing patterns and consider healthier alternatives. It’s about gaining awareness and making intentional choices to support our well-being. 

Tune in wherever you listen to your podcasts, or here @ https://imbetween.org/episode197
•
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The Role of Numbing Behaviors 🤔🫨 Ever wonder why we turn to quick fixes when we’re stressed or exhausted? In Episode 197 of the IMbetween Podcast, @chris3janssen explains that numbing behaviors like reaching for sugary treats or alcohol provide immediate relief but often at a significant cost. We discuss a powerful exercise from her book, “Grace Yourself,” that helps individuals evaluate these numbing patterns and consider healthier alternatives. It’s about gaining awareness and making intentional choices to support our well-being. Tune in wherever you listen to your podcasts, or here @ https://imbetween.org/episode197
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Did you know that despite growing awareness of mental health, anxiety and depression rates in children and adolescents have sharply risen? 

In episode 196 of the @imbetweenshow podcast, @sarahboyd, author of Turn Down the Noise, discusses how overstimulation in our environment could be a key factor. 

Just like a garden needs the right conditions to thrive, so do our minds. It’s about adjusting our surroundings to create supportive spaces for everyone, especially our kids. 🌱📘 

Listen wherever you get your podcasts, or by going to https://imbetween.org/episode196/

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Listen wherever you get your podcasts or at https://imbetween.org/epsiode195/
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